Comments on: Vaccination and community responsibility http://nevyn.wordpress.com/2008/03/13/vaccination-and-community-responsibility/ Sun, 29 Nov 2009 01:57:18 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Brad http://nevyn.wordpress.com/2008/03/13/vaccination-and-community-responsibility/#comment-6927 Brad Fri, 05 Sep 2008 02:19:19 +0000 http://nevyn.wordpress.com/?p=131#comment-6927 Thanks Regina. I was finding the thought of drafting a response very tiresome. Ten minutes on google and people think they know all there is to know about medical science and epidemiology. I am actually not arrogant enough to believe that, therefore I bow to the wisdom of the medical community who together have hundreds of thousands of years of training in the field. Remember, the sheep that allow the dogs to herd them to the pen are far safer when the wolves come a-hunting. Thanks Regina. I was finding the thought of drafting a response very tiresome. Ten minutes on google and people think they know all there is to know about medical science and epidemiology. I am actually not arrogant enough to believe that, therefore I bow to the wisdom of the medical community who together have hundreds of thousands of years of training in the field.

Remember, the sheep that allow the dogs to herd them to the pen are far safer when the wolves come a-hunting.

]]> By: table9 http://nevyn.wordpress.com/2008/03/13/vaccination-and-community-responsibility/#comment-6925 table9 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:55:41 +0000 http://nevyn.wordpress.com/?p=131#comment-6925 Clearly Dave it's been too long for you to remember the times when children were struck deaf, blind, crippled or worse, found dead in their beds, without rhyme or reason or sense, because good public health systems have protected us and lulled us into a sense of very false security. I just hope that when the next *preventable* epidemic sweeps our population thanks to parents like yours, that my child is not touched. What you've missed is that not every child in the generation of 'Measles Parties' DID survive that 'wholesome, sensible practice' as it was thought of then. Some died, some survived but not unscathed. Not many, true, but more died of this than ever have of Autism Spectrum. I'll say that again. Nobody dies from Autism. Heck, nobody even knows what exactly causes autistic symptoms, though many theories abound, and the diagnostic indicators are so broad now that we've got a 'spectrum'. I find no small sense of irony in the fact that had these diagnostic tools been applied to me as a small child I would have been diagnosed with Autism Spectrum, something I most definitely do not suffer from. Children can and do die from Measles and complications of measles. These are *preventable* deaths. We know what causes Measles, Polio, Scarlet Fever, Whooping Cough/Pertussis, Diptheria, Teatanus, Smallpox, and other deadly diseases. We know how to definitively diagnose, treat, and prevent. That's a simple, plain, unadultered fact. That we do not avail ourselves of processes learned through the blood of others because we feel to do so would be a 'sheeple' is our own arrogance blinding us. Those who do not honor history are condemned to repeat it. Clearly Dave it’s been too long for you to remember the times when children were struck deaf, blind, crippled or worse, found dead in their beds, without rhyme or reason or sense, because good public health systems have protected us and lulled us into a sense of very false security. I just hope that when the next *preventable* epidemic sweeps our population thanks to parents like yours, that my child is not touched.

What you’ve missed is that not every child in the generation of ‘Measles Parties’ DID survive that ‘wholesome, sensible practice’ as it was thought of then. Some died, some survived but not unscathed. Not many, true, but more died of this than ever have of Autism Spectrum.

I’ll say that again. Nobody dies from Autism. Heck, nobody even knows what exactly causes autistic symptoms, though many theories abound, and the diagnostic indicators are so broad now that we’ve got a ’spectrum’. I find no small sense of irony in the fact that had these diagnostic tools been applied to me as a small child I would have been diagnosed with Autism Spectrum, something I most definitely do not suffer from.

Children can and do die from Measles and complications of measles. These are *preventable* deaths. We know what causes Measles, Polio, Scarlet Fever, Whooping Cough/Pertussis, Diptheria, Teatanus, Smallpox, and other deadly diseases. We know how to definitively diagnose, treat, and prevent. That’s a simple, plain, unadultered fact.

That we do not avail ourselves of processes learned through the blood of others because we feel to do so would be a ’sheeple’ is our own arrogance blinding us. Those who do not honor history are condemned to repeat it.

]]> By: Dave http://nevyn.wordpress.com/2008/03/13/vaccination-and-community-responsibility/#comment-6924 Dave Sun, 24 Aug 2008 09:59:50 +0000 http://nevyn.wordpress.com/?p=131#comment-6924 What an arrogant prick you are thinking you have the right to make other parents vaccination choices for them, you dont so get over it. If you cant use open and honest science to refute the harm vaccinations do, dont resort to name calling it does not work and turns even more parents away from your argument. Look at at Amada Peet forced to make a humiliating apology as damage control, it will only backfire on you. Medical science has never been able to disprove the fact that vaccinations destroy your cellular immune system, its a medical fact. My god how did my generation survive being taken to measles parties. On the contrary parents that question vaccines are the responsible parents and those sheeple who dont reseach what they put in the kids bodies irresposible and ignorant. What an arrogant prick you are thinking you have the right to make other parents vaccination choices for them, you dont so get over it.
If you cant use open and honest science to refute the harm vaccinations do, dont resort to name calling it does not work and turns even more parents away from your argument. Look at at Amada Peet forced to make a humiliating apology as damage control, it will only backfire on you.
Medical science has never been able to disprove the fact that vaccinations destroy your cellular immune system, its a medical fact.
My god how did my generation survive being taken to measles parties.

On the contrary parents that question vaccines are the responsible parents and those sheeple who dont reseach what they put in the kids bodies irresposible and ignorant.

]]> By: Brad http://nevyn.wordpress.com/2008/03/13/vaccination-and-community-responsibility/#comment-6851 Brad Thu, 29 May 2008 01:06:07 +0000 http://nevyn.wordpress.com/?p=131#comment-6851 Because when you make the choice not to vaccinate, you are making a choice for the children of everyone in your community, not just your own. If all the unvaccinated families lived on an island somewhere and never ventured out, I would be fine with it. There is an entire medical field devoted to public health and epidemiology. I am stoked to hear that my daughter will never catch a cold as long as I give her clean water and nutritious food though. Stoked. ;-) Because when you make the choice not to vaccinate, you are making a choice for the children of everyone in your community, not just your own. If all the unvaccinated families lived on an island somewhere and never ventured out, I would be fine with it. There is an entire medical field devoted to public health and epidemiology.

I am stoked to hear that my daughter will never catch a cold as long as I give her clean water and nutritious food though. Stoked. ;-)

]]> By: chittisterchildren http://nevyn.wordpress.com/2008/03/13/vaccination-and-community-responsibility/#comment-6848 chittisterchildren Fri, 16 May 2008 04:47:40 +0000 http://nevyn.wordpress.com/?p=131#comment-6848 Take a look at the ingredients in vaccines. Then take a look at the diseases for which we vaccinate. Most of the diseases are relatively harmless. Do you know how many tetanus cases there were, in the year pre-vaccine, in the US? 470. That's it. Most diseases can be prevented with access to clean water and proper nutrition. http://www.novaccine.com/vaccine-ingredients/ The autism link has not been disproved, nor has it been proved. In addition to autism, hundreds of diseases and disorders have skyrocketed as the vaccine schedule has become more and more crowded. Asthma, allergies, arthritis, shingles, diabetes, ADD/ADHD, and many many more, and SIDS. We've traded acute illness for chronic illness. Hepatitis B is an STD, and the immunity wears off in 10-20 years. Yet babies are subjected to it because they are a captive audience. I should also remind you that, while children do still die of "vaccine-preventable" diseases, children do die from vaccination as well. One size doesn't fit all, and parents should have a choice when it comes to making medical decisions for their children. What other medical decisions is our government going to make for us? Take a look at the ingredients in vaccines. Then take a look at the diseases for which we vaccinate. Most of the diseases are relatively harmless. Do you know how many tetanus cases there were, in the year pre-vaccine, in the US? 470. That’s it.
Most diseases can be prevented with access to clean water and proper nutrition.
http://www.novaccine.com/vaccine-ingredients/
The autism link has not been disproved, nor has it been proved. In addition to autism, hundreds of diseases and disorders have skyrocketed as the vaccine schedule has become more and more crowded. Asthma, allergies, arthritis, shingles, diabetes, ADD/ADHD, and many many more, and SIDS. We’ve traded acute illness for chronic illness.
Hepatitis B is an STD, and the immunity wears off in 10-20 years. Yet babies are subjected to it because they are a captive audience.
I should also remind you that, while children do still die of “vaccine-preventable” diseases, children do die from vaccination as well.
One size doesn’t fit all, and parents should have a choice when it comes to making medical decisions for their children. What other medical decisions is our government going to make for us?

]]> By: Brad http://nevyn.wordpress.com/2008/03/13/vaccination-and-community-responsibility/#comment-6837 Brad Mon, 28 Apr 2008 02:03:31 +0000 http://nevyn.wordpress.com/?p=131#comment-6837 *scratching head* Sounds to me like you are on the same side of the fence as the rest of us posting here Domestic Goddess. I think I scared the others away... thanks for your input though. My father keeps telling me autism is linked to vegetarianism in the parents. I suspect this is because he thinks vegans are less manly or something, and he wants me to start eating small furry creatures. *scratching head* Sounds to me like you are on the same side of the fence as the rest of us posting here Domestic Goddess. I think I scared the others away… thanks for your input though.

My father keeps telling me autism is linked to vegetarianism in the parents. I suspect this is because he thinks vegans are less manly or something, and he wants me to start eating small furry creatures.

]]> By: Jane http://nevyn.wordpress.com/2008/03/13/vaccination-and-community-responsibility/#comment-6836 Jane Wed, 23 Apr 2008 02:11:26 +0000 http://nevyn.wordpress.com/?p=131#comment-6836 PS yes I get wary of the Ones like Gardisal... And that one that came out for babies to *supposedly* protect against Gastroenteritis. That made MOST babies VERY very sick. and then in turn affected the whole family. That was one I didnt do and I wont be doing the Gardisal on my daughter either, but by the time she is of the age to have it they probably would have A) removed it or B) improved it so I would relook at it but at the moment when many doctors are not for it then No I wouldn't do it But ALL Doctors are for the standard Vaccine Schedule PS yes I get wary of the Ones like Gardisal… And that one that came out for babies to *supposedly* protect against Gastroenteritis.

That made MOST babies VERY very sick. and then in turn affected the whole family.
That was one I didnt do and I wont be doing the Gardisal on my daughter either, but by the time she is of the age to have it they probably would have A) removed it or B) improved it so I would relook at it but at the moment when many doctors are not for it then No I wouldn’t do it

But ALL Doctors are for the standard Vaccine Schedule

]]> By: Jane http://nevyn.wordpress.com/2008/03/13/vaccination-and-community-responsibility/#comment-6835 Jane Wed, 23 Apr 2008 02:07:57 +0000 http://nevyn.wordpress.com/?p=131#comment-6835 Some guy in some foreign land one day said "there is a link between autism and MMR" everyone went into a flurry, it was disproved but the damage was done...and so when a child who is from 12mths to around 18mths has the MMR it sends parents into sheer dread, I know it did me, I felt physically sick especially as boys are affected by autism more (stats say) But autism does show its signs well and truly around 18mths....the no eye contact is the first dead giveaway (i'm led to believe) Unfortunately as I said the damage has been done and people are shit scared to vaccinate , and not just the MMR but ALL Vaccines they now have this thought that they ALL Cause Autism, Thimersol is the main thought concept...better known as Mercury...and has been supposedly removed from all vaccines..Certainly in Australia it has And then there is the debate from the non vaccinators, that the vaccines are full of horrible nasties like Embryos of Chickens (for culturing the virus) and yes maybe they are but unless you are a complete vegan and dont wear anything leather, dont touch anything associated to animals that DIE For it then shut up about it. Disease was RAMPANT in the western world, so many HORRIFIC Diseases, you know the ones that cause blindness, loss of limbs, loss of LIFE, horrific agonizing DEATHS have been eradicated...But people seem to overlook that , but don't tell them that they are wrong because in their minds they are the BEST PARENT and you are the crazy one. Not Vaccinating your child is completely irresponsible to not only your child but to the rest of the community that you share in.. We all have the cancer gene in us, something, be it lifestyle factors, lifestyle choices, stress or various other triggers , either mutate the gene into the sickness or they dont, it just depends on the gene that you have in your particular cells. Its the SAME With Autism, unfortunately it DOES Feel like Russian Roulette but its far better than the alternative...I think these people who don't vaccinate forget what its like to see a child with Measles or Mumps or Polio that can cause horrific scarring, loss of function or even death.....Even chicken pox and the misery that the child is in.... They forget what its like , or they are too young to remember what its like and so they think blah why bother vaccinating and putting my child through the trauma of a needle (all of the maximum of 1/2 hr trauma up to a DAY) because its not around anyway NO ITS NOT AROUND ! Thanks to people having Vaccinations I truly hope that these people have a look on the net , look up the diseases and see what they do to children. Look at a Morgue - that could be your child if they were to die from one of these horrific diseases from not being vaccinated. Frankly I'd rather have a child injected with a Chicken's Embryo than a DEAD child. Some guy in some foreign land one day said “there is a link between autism and MMR” everyone went into a flurry, it was disproved but the damage was done…and so when a child who is from 12mths to around 18mths has the MMR it sends parents into sheer dread, I know it did me, I felt physically sick especially as boys are affected by autism more (stats say) But autism does show its signs well and truly around 18mths….the no eye contact is the first dead giveaway (i’m led to believe)
Unfortunately as I said the damage has been done and people are shit scared to vaccinate , and not just the MMR but ALL Vaccines they now have this thought that they ALL Cause Autism, Thimersol is the main thought concept…better known as Mercury…and has been supposedly removed from all vaccines..Certainly in Australia it has
And then there is the debate from the non vaccinators, that the vaccines are full of horrible nasties like Embryos of Chickens (for culturing the virus) and yes maybe they are but unless you are a complete vegan and dont wear anything leather, dont touch anything associated to animals that DIE For it then shut up about it.
Disease was RAMPANT in the western world, so many HORRIFIC Diseases, you know the ones that cause blindness, loss of limbs, loss of LIFE, horrific agonizing DEATHS have been eradicated…But people seem to overlook that , but don’t tell them that they are wrong because in their minds they are the BEST PARENT and you are the crazy one.
Not Vaccinating your child is completely irresponsible to not only your child but to the rest of the community that you share in..
We all have the cancer gene in us, something, be it lifestyle factors, lifestyle choices, stress or various other triggers , either mutate the gene into the sickness or they dont, it just depends on the gene that you have in your particular cells.
Its the SAME With Autism, unfortunately it DOES Feel like Russian Roulette but its far better than the alternative…I think these people who don’t vaccinate forget what its like to see a child with Measles or Mumps or Polio that can cause horrific scarring, loss of function or even death…..Even chicken pox and the misery that the child is in….
They forget what its like , or they are too young to remember what its like and so they think blah why bother vaccinating and putting my child through the trauma of a needle (all of the maximum of 1/2 hr trauma up to a DAY) because its not around anyway

NO ITS NOT AROUND ! Thanks to people having Vaccinations

I truly hope that these people have a look on the net , look up the diseases and see what they do to children. Look at a Morgue – that could be your child if they were to die from one of these horrific diseases from not being vaccinated.

Frankly I’d rather have a child injected with a Chicken’s Embryo than a DEAD child.

]]> By: The Domestic Goddess http://nevyn.wordpress.com/2008/03/13/vaccination-and-community-responsibility/#comment-6832 The Domestic Goddess Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:46:09 +0000 http://nevyn.wordpress.com/?p=131#comment-6832 You don't know me from Adam and I'm not sure how I even ended up at your blog, but as the parent of an autistic child (two, actually) I have to say PLEASE VACCINATE YOUR KIDS. The reason people don't die of these horrible diseases is because the vaccines work. Autism is not caused by vaccines. Now, I do believe that autism has something to do with sickness and viral load and a genetic predisposition. But for the love of all that is holy, I know people who do NOT vaccinate their kids and they are still autistic. So there. My point? Not sure. Just that, count me as one on the OTHER side of the fence for the vaccine debate. You don’t know me from Adam and I’m not sure how I even ended up at your blog, but as the parent of an autistic child (two, actually) I have to say PLEASE VACCINATE YOUR KIDS. The reason people don’t die of these horrible diseases is because the vaccines work. Autism is not caused by vaccines. Now, I do believe that autism has something to do with sickness and viral load and a genetic predisposition. But for the love of all that is holy, I know people who do NOT vaccinate their kids and they are still autistic. So there.
My point? Not sure. Just that, count me as one on the OTHER side of the fence for the vaccine debate.

]]> By: table9 http://nevyn.wordpress.com/2008/03/13/vaccination-and-community-responsibility/#comment-6812 table9 Fri, 21 Mar 2008 23:35:52 +0000 http://nevyn.wordpress.com/?p=131#comment-6812 Hey Brad, Take a deep breath, then check out today's NYT article on non-vaccinaters. Then take another deep breath. I posted my thoughts here: http://table9.wordpress.com/2008/03/21/on-vaccinations-and-the-greater-good/ Yeah, I'm seeing red. Argh. Hey Brad,

Take a deep breath, then check out today’s NYT article on non-vaccinaters. Then take another deep breath. I posted my thoughts here:

http://table9.wordpress.com/2008/03/21/on-vaccinations-and-the-greater-good/

Yeah, I’m seeing red. Argh.

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